Terry Karney ([info]pecunium) wrote,

Forgive me while I get political

About the earthquake in Japan.

It's not that I don't care. I have friends in Japan (who all seem to be fine, thank you). This is actually about the story which won't get much play; how gov't regulation saved lives.

That NYT story is almost certainly an outlier, and will sink without much trace, lost in the more gripping narrative of the disaster.

From seawalls that line stretches of Japan’s coastline, to skyscrapers that sway to absorb earthquakes, to building codes that are among the world’s most rigorous, no country may be better prepared to withstand earthquakes than Japan.

They do some pointless, even wrongheaded, cavilling, about how the measures (esp. seawalls) might give a false sense of security/not work well enough.

Which is nonsense, because there is no way to build a wall capable of stopping all tsunami which might hit. But if people don't get the 30+ minutes of gap between the origin of a tsunami and the wave hitting the shore, then a wall is going to save lives.

To put things in a bit more perspective is this quotation from the Guardian, "Aftershocks continued hours after the first tremor struck, many of more than magnitude 6.0. Joseph Tame, a Briton living in Tokyo, said concrete buildings shook as if they were made of jelly and high-rises swayed back and forth as the quake hit..

So they got, "Shake, rattle and roll," not devastating collapse.

Government regulation is why emergency exits 1: open out, and 2: have a "failure mode" which leads to people being outside. Why? Because a press of people in a panic will make a door which opens on a traditional tongue as completely unable to open as one which opens to the inside.

Fire escapes don't go past the ground floor; so people don't end up trapped in the basement.

Pool filters are supposed to be baffled, so that people don't get stuck to them and drown (or have their guts sucked out of their bodies).

Milk is sold in closed containers, that water isn't added to it (see Thoreau's comment, "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.").

Seatbelts save lives. Mandating them into cars made them 1: ubiquitous, not alien, and 2: made them affordable. Those sorts of things don't happen without gov't intervention. (if you don't think so, look at some of the libertarian arguments about seat belts: the gist of it is people ought to opt in, not be forced to pay the, "opportunity" cost of them. If the present cost, of uniform manufacture adds $600 US to the cost of a car, what would it cost to design them as, "options", and how many people would forgo it? That doesn't address the second order effects [what economists call, "externalities"] which come of not having seat belts in all cars, but I digress).

It is enshrined right there in the Constitution of the United States:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

This is the big difference, IMO, the big difference between the two poles (I can't really say parties) in American politics. One side believes promoting the general welfare is best done by working directly on the mass of people, most especially on those who are not having the best of it.

The other pole seems to think that helping well-to-do is the best way to help the rest of us. The distribution of wealth and the relative contribution to the "general welfare" is skewed, and they don't take that into account.

But even if we accept the theories behind that, the way they want to help the well-to-do is screwed up. Lowering their taxes might make jobs, but it won't keep bridges in good repair, nor the highways, nor ensure that employers aren't overworking air traffic controllers.

Those are the sort of things we expect our governments to do for us. It's why we have them. To do that we need to admit that government regulation is needful, and what is needful is legitimate. There is no way the "libertarian paradise" would build seawalls. The past tells us so.

We have public fire departments because the private ones let houses burn, why? Because they didn't pay. The side effect was that more houses burned down, even those who did pay (because it's kind of hard to keep a house from catching fire when the place next to it is pushing superheated air, and sparks, onto it).

We aren't living alone, in some self-sufficient house of sod on the vast prairie. We are conjoined, part of a greater whole, and we need standard, and regulations to deal with the scale of our problems (how many bridges are there? How many million miles of roads? How many ports?), and the scope of human perfidy (watered milk, chalk in the flour, melamine in the baby formula).

That's what the, "drown gov't" types are inviting back.

Japan is hurting. They just had a 9.0 on the Richter scale. Two-thirds of the population is urban. That's 84 million people. The dead are known to be in the hundreds, probably in the thousands. But this could have been a lot worse.

That it wasn't is purely because of gov't regulation.

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[info]funwithrage

March 11 2011, 20:59:09 UTC 1 year ago

Absolutely agreed here.

There's only so much we can do to prevent disasters. But "only so much" covers a whole lot of ground. That we're not doing it for stupid ideological reasons is just...stupid.

[info]beamjockey

March 11 2011, 21:23:07 UTC 1 year ago

Well said.

(You need to close your "a" tag after the word "welfare" up there.)

[info]melissamuse

March 11 2011, 21:37:43 UTC 1 year ago

well said, indeed.
lack of government regulation = the manmade disaster they called Katrina.

[info]ckd

March 11 2011, 21:39:10 UTC 1 year ago

In early 2001, a quake hit the Puget Sound area. Damage was limited (and only one death was linked to the quake -- from a stress-related heart condition), partially because of work done by FEMA's Project Impact. (In one case, a school building's water tank had been drained and reinforced; instead of fracturing and drowning a school full of kids, it just rattled around in the attic.)

That very day, the Bush administration announced that they were cutting funding for the program.

[info]izzydesan

March 11 2011, 21:45:17 UTC 1 year ago

Eloquant as always. Thank you for putting into words ideas that rattle around in my head, but I am unable to express.

[info]kangaekaeru

March 11 2011, 22:53:11 UTC 1 year ago

Hear, hear.

[info]matociquala

March 11 2011, 23:30:08 UTC 1 year ago

amen.

[info]fivemack

March 12 2011, 00:37:44 UTC 1 year ago

Thanks for that.

(err, you've calculated 3/2 rather than 2/3 of Japan's population; should be 85 million not 191)

[info]fledgist

March 12 2011, 01:00:56 UTC 1 year ago

Absobloodylutely.

[info]cakmpls

March 12 2011, 01:15:12 UTC 1 year ago

I keep pointing out that phrase, "promote the general welfare," to right-wing acquaintances. They ignore me. Are we surprised? We are not surprised.

[info]wetdryvac

March 12 2011, 01:37:25 UTC 1 year ago

*nods*

Both the planning itself, and the fact that the population generally followed it saved a lot of lives. I'm someone thrown by the reaction of some of my American friends on the ground there - that they more or less knew the plans for their respective areas because after coming on-site to their various positions, they'd had earthquake and other disaster response sets drilled in.

I like having - and am willing to pay for having - a government that in non-infringing manners protects my welfare. It frustrates me that I'm more surprised when a governmental response to a disaster or serious problem is sane and well reasoned than when a government's response is broken or avoidant.

Perhaps not oddly, in the first few hours after the quake, I saw nothing on American news services regarding the well organized government response, but on Al Jazeera, Russian (I think it was NTV or RTR, but I was scanning, so not sure), BBC, and a couple other non-American services there was fairly decent coverage of the same, including news-casters in Japan explaining their own parts in the system.

[info]pecunium

March 12 2011, 02:42:45 UTC 1 year ago

The attacks on the WTC were not as bad as they might have been because of the bombing a few years earlier. That it took something as dramatic as a bombing to make it plain that something as large as that needed to have the people who were in it somewhat familiar with the drill... yeah.

I lived near a nuclear plant for three years. The sum total of "preparedness" training was signs saying, "If you hear a siren tune your radio to..." and a flyer in the mail saying which way to go if one heard the siren.

There was a bit better alerting (at least as far I as I was concerned) when they tested the siren. I ought to have checked the station but I didn't have an AM radio.

Our system for disaster, is weak, at best. It's pretty much ad hoc, save for some sorts of more general (wildfires come to mind) types.

[info]sylphslider

March 12 2011, 02:49:33 UTC 1 year ago

This is good. Can I link to it?

[info]pecunium

March 12 2011, 03:11:25 UTC 1 year ago

You may link to anything I have publicly posted. If you want to expand on it, you may use it as a jumping off point, elaboration, illustration, etc.

All I ask in those cases is that you link, so the original context is available to those who want to see it.

[info]calimac

March 12 2011, 07:19:04 UTC 1 year ago

Since we're thinking about earthquakes: Loma Prieta killed about 65 people. Armenian earthquake of slightly less magnitude a year earlier killed 25 thousand. Difference: Soviet construction. California earthquake construction codes - government regulation - saved our lives.

[info]baron_elric

March 12 2011, 08:47:24 UTC 1 year ago

For all the screamers who want to get rid of the entire government, I'd love to give each one a copy of The Jungle, to give them a clue as to why the FDA serves a desirable purpose. Sadly, most of them think reading is evil, because they might be forced to think about something. Likewise, pointing out that the Department of Agriculture tries to keep all of us, including the No-Government types, from getting prion-based diseases doesn't work because they can't understand the threat. Not even if it is expressed as "it eats holes in your brain."

Come the Zombie Apocalypse, all of them who are surrounded by the radical neo-cons will starve.

[info]benet

March 12 2011, 13:44:02 UTC 1 year ago

Thoughtful libertarians appear to spend a lot of time describing hypothetical ways in which problems like these will be addressed by the market (or at least in a non-top-down, voluntary manner) in a minarchist society. The trouble I have with those visions is - apart from the fact that they tend to sweep a lot of suffering by individuals under the carpet by appealing to statistical outcomes - they don't generally come with a feasible path from here to there. There's just a lot of handwaving about how you have to continually reduce the size of government and scope of government intervention, and, yes, while that's ongoing there will be a lot of pain and unpleasantness - but ultimately it will reach some magical size and suddenly The Market will produce solutions to social problems, like mushrooms after a spring rain.

We're far from perfect over on the Left here, but at least our policy ideas usually come with scaled-down versions that do immediate good, and can be evaluated empirically.
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